...well, it certainly does a much better job of VISUALLY and AURALLY presenting the scales/modes, especially the "sonic" playing of each mode, which really lets you LISTEN to each mode.

I'm confused on how you would change ionic scales to the other modes. Why would this be revelent?

Also how will scales help me solo i just don't see a connection and i need it broken down further i guess. HELP!!! please

So all scales have the same shape? for example a B major scale and a C major scale are the same... just in a different place on the fretboard? Sorry i'm asking so many questions. i just want to know soo much about the guitar and you seem like someone who can give me answers.

jstnz14 wrote:

Also how will scales help me solo i just don't see a connection and i need it broken down further i guess. HELP!!! please

...scales identify ALL the "correct" notes that can be played "over" a chord, which is important because chords typically only contain 3 (triad) or 4 (tetra) notes.

...and, because SOME scale notes are often in TWO or even THREE different chords, you're provided "alternate" (substitute) chords for "...portions/riffs..." within a common tonality (think "key," like C6 = Am, etc.)

So what do the modes have to do with soloing?

I guess what i'm really asking is... how is ionian changed to the other modes? could you give me an example?

IONIAN "mode" is simply the notes C, D, E, F, G, A, B, C'...and is simply the notes of the C-scale.

..the term "mode" comes into play when we move "up" one note (to D) and play the exact same notes: D, E, F, G, A, B, C, D' which *now* comprise the DORIAN mode.

...in other words, the IONIAN scale is the root/foundation; while the "modes" are the same notes just 'begun' on successively higher points:

        IONIAN = starts on C note of IONIAN scale, ends on C'
       DORIAN = starts on D note of IONIAN scale, ends on D'
    PHRYGIAN = starts on E note of IONIAN scale, ends on E'
        LYDIAN = starts on F note of IONIAN scale, ends on F'
MIXOLYDIAN = starts on G note of IONIAN scale, ends on G'
      AEOLIAN = starts on A note of IONIAN scale, ends on A'
      LOCRIAN = starts on B note of IONIAN scale, ends on B'

...that's the "modes" -- ie: same notes, just different "start / stop" notes. The accompanying CHORDS are different because of the changes in location of the half (h) and whole (w) intervals between notes, ie: E-to-F and B-to-C are halfstep (h) intervals, while all the others are wholestep (w) intervals. So, the respective chords created from each mode are different

        IONIAN = Major
       DORIAN = minor
  PHRYGRIAN = minor
        LYDIAN = Major
MIXOLYDIAN = Major
      AEOLIAN = minor
     LOCRIAN = diminished

Thanks.
So the Ionian mode is just the c scale and only the c scale. ??

are the box scale patterns relative to the modes or are they two completly different things?

jstnz14 wrote:

Thanks.
So the Ionian mode is just the c scale and only the c scale. ??

are the box scale patterns relative to the modes or are they two completly different things?

...yes, the C-scale and the Ionian mode are synonymous.

...which "box" scale patterns do you mean? The "box" as in "blues"-scale box or what? The blues-scale is NOT specifically one of the modes, but rather a 'sparse' variation.

How do you "move" scales up and down the neck??

...if you play a C-scale at the nut, by moving UP the neck (toward the bridge) two frets and playing the same fingering, you'll be playing a D-scale...hence, the term "movable" scales and chords, ie: same fingering at different location = different KEY.

so is that how you improvise solos. thats something i really want to do.

yo OTM thanks for all your help with this ill have to read through the whole lot again it went way over my head the last time,
You deserve a medal for all the help your giving everyone THANK YOU good to see your still here

Hey OTM

anyway you can get back the pictures?
ive tried to understand most of it but cant really get into it..
thanks

TMR3

Thanks for bringing the '101' thread up again T..

GuitarZen

GuitarZen wrote:

Thanks for bringing the '101' thread up again T..

GuitarZen

you sound a bit dissapointed..?
was it a bad thing?
Is there something i should know but don't?


TMR3

Nope, nope, nope....my meaning was that I'm glad you brought it up again T...honest !

Cheers,

GuitarZen

GuitarZen wrote:

Nope, nope, nope....my meaning was that I'm glad you brought it up again T...honest !

Cheers,

GuitarZen

OK...



TMR3

t0mboy_Rampag3 wrote:

Hey OTM

anyway you can get back the pictures?
ive tried to understand most of it but cant really get into it..
thanks

TMR3

...so far, Qwest hasn't let me post anything, but I actually did archieve ALL those images, so "yes" I have them, just can't get my ISP to provide storage to host / post them.