...no problem, we all learn things differently.

i noticed theres been issues with posting these charts, just wondering if theres some web address i could view them at

Old Tele man wrote:

...OK, here is our first excursion beyond the Key of C, specifically the Key of G (1-sharp, 1#):



...notice how the "C"-chord row has NO empty squares (representing sharp (#) or flat (b) notes) under any of its DEGREE column; but, the "G"-shord does have an empty square, under the VII or Major 7th column (which is F#, hence the 1-sharp Key Signature).

...since the most common song chords are C, F and G, our next new chord is the F (1-flat, 1b):
               


...notice how: (a) with the G-chord, the F-note is a halfstep below the M7-degree, so to reach the proper position, the note had to be "raised" (ie: sharped); but, (b) with the F-chord, the B-note is a halfstep above the IV-degree, so to reach the proper position, the note had to be "lowered" (ie: flatted).

as stated earlier: "...so far, Qwest hasn't let me post anything, but I actually did archieve ALL those images, so "yes" I have them, just can't get my ISP to provide storage to host / post them."

I can SEND all these files to people, but be advised, they're HUGE!

Old Tele man wrote:

as stated earlier: "...so far, Qwest hasn't let me post anything, but I actually did archieve ALL those images, so "yes" I have them, just can't get my ISP to provide storage to host / post them."

I can SEND all these files to people, but be advised, they're HUGE!

Is there any way you could possibly make some place where we can all view them?
it can be great to learn from, but the charts are what we all need.
Would really appreciate it,
TMR3

tele man good to see your still at it dude thanks for all that help

Hi Beth,

Dont be such a stranger, come join us in the chat room sometime.

Jim

beth wrote:

tele man good to see your still at it dude thanks for all that help

...thanks, Beth! Good to hear from you again.

PS--word to the wise: don't get OLD (ugh!).

I find this all so complicated as far as theory and all the scales.  I don't think there is any way I could ever memorize so many scales.

All I would like to do is learn how to play a song all the way through.  I can pick out a melody.  If I know the chords, I can find out the key the song is in.  What I would like to know is, once I pick out a melody on the guitar, how can I find which chords and other notes to play along with that melody line.

For example, I have been wanting to play More Than This by Roxy Music on guitar.  There are no acoustic versions or guitar instrumentals of it on YouTube.  I can pick out the melody of that song, but don't know which chords or other notes to play along with it so that it sounds like a complete guitar solo.

Any tips?

Hello fretwoman, welcome to chordbook...well, theory can seem complicated at first, i know it was for me...and i'm still learning. Memorizing scales becomes easier as time goes by i've noticed, so were i wouldn't worry about that for now.

What you ask isn't all that complicated, but there are some things you'd need to know. Have you done some reading in the beginners forum and if not, you might start there. Also, for the Roxy Music song More, you mention you don't find any guitar versions on tube. I'f you are able to find piano music and hopefully a youtube lesson for 'More', you would be able to use those chords for guitar since guitar theory is based on piano theory. I hope this helps and feel free to ask more if it doesn't. Someone will help.

GuitarZen

fretwoman wrote:

I find this all so complicated as far as theory and all the scales.  I don't think there is any way I could ever memorize so many scales.

All I would like to do is learn how to play a song all the way through.  I can pick out a melody.  If I know the chords, I can find out the key the song is in.  What I would like to know is, once I pick out a melody on the guitar, how can I find which chords and other notes to play along with that melody line.

For example, I have been wanting to play More Than This by Roxy Music on guitar.  There are no acoustic versions or guitar instrumentals of it on YouTube.  I can pick out the melody of that song, but don't know which chords or other notes to play along with it so that it sounds like a complete guitar solo.

Any tips?

here ya go: three different keys/versions:
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/tabs/r/r … is_crd.htm
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/tabs/r/r … r2_crd.htm
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/tabs/r/r … r3_crd.htm

This is so much to memorize! How can i?

First you have to want it, then you would have to take it a bit at a time until you begin to make sense out of it and of course ask questions that aren't so general. How does one do anything i guess.

Cheers,

GuitarZen

Yeah I suppose that was kinda just like '"Hey, give me all the answers!" I've got read, play, and learn. I know this probably isn't the best topic for a question like this, but I'll throw this out there, can anyone give me tips on solos? The beginners section seems to have left me hanging....not to ask a general question again but I just can't get the hang of it!

Old Tele Man,
This is great stuff! Of course, it would be even better if we could see the illustrations.
Have you tried:
1. Google Docs      see   http://www.google.com/google-d-s/documents/
or
2. Picasa      see  http://picasaweb.google.com/

It seems to me either of these approaces should work.  You'll need a Google account, but they're free if you don't already have one.

Hello Player, i apologise for the late welcome and greeting. You make a good point about the illustrations and i was thinking that even photoshop (another free pic host site) would be a good way to go. Still though, the text is useful and anyone can learn theory from it.

GuitarZen

Old Tele man wrote:

...this thread will discuss the "fundamentals of music theory" as they apply to fretted string instruments (guitars, bass, etc.), it will not discuss "notation" or "tablature" reading.

...Thousands of years ago, the Greeks discovered that a single "vibrating" string not only produced a fundamental tone, but also a series of overtones (also called harmonics or partials).  They discovered that the "fundamental" string vibrations were related to the strings length, while its overtones were always integer multiples (that is 1/1, 1/2, 1/3, 1/5, etc.) of that length. For instance, a vibrating string tuned to Key-of-C would produce the following tones:

1/1 = C-tone, Fundamental (1X)
1/2 = C'-tone, Octave (2X)
1/3 = G-tone, partial
1/4 = C"-tone, double Octave (4X)
1/5 = E-tone, partial
1/6 = G'-tone, octave partial
1/7 = Bb-tone(approx)
1/8 = C'''-tone, triple Octave (8X)
1/9 = D-tone
1/10 = E-tone
1/11 = F#-tone(approx)
1/12 = G"-tone
1/13 = A-tone (approx)
1/14 = Bb-tone (approx)
1/15 = B-tone (approx)
1/16 = C''''-tone, quadruple Octave (16X)

...the Greeks found that the "strongest" tones, beside the Fundamental (C) and its Octaves (C'-C''-C'''-C''''), were the E and G notes, and these three notes (called a triad) played simultaneously had a pleasing sound.

...and, when the the notes were arranged in order from Fundamental through Octave, the following SCALE (or "ladder") of notes was produced: (C)..D..(E)F..(G)..A..B(C')

...notice that the notes comprising the Key-of-C triad are C-note (the fundamental or root), E-note (the third note in the scale) and G-note (the fifth note in the scale), which are everyother note from the scale!

...this same arrangement is still used today, with the individual notes of the SCALE called DEGREES (formally written as Roman Numerals, but simplified to Arabic Numbers) to indicate their position within the scale. Hence:

I = 1 = C, Root <--R in triad
II = 2 = D, 2nd
III = 3 = E, 3rd <--3 in triad
IV = 4 = F, 4th
V = 5 = G, 5th <--5 in triad
VI = 6 = A, 6th
VII = 7 = B, 7th
I' = 8 = C', Octave

...originally, only triad (3-note) chords were played; but later, during the Renaissance years, additional notes were added to chords, forming tetra- (4-note) and penta- (5-note) or more chords.

...the definition of a CHORD is three or more notes played simultaneously, while an ARPEGGIO is the sequential playing (one after the other) of the notes of a chord (think "House of the Rising Sun" for instance)...both CHORDs and ARPEGGIOs can be played forward or backwards, it doesn't matter, but does sound slightly different...with bass-to-treble sounds being more common (but not necessarily in rock-n-rock).

...while the above example begins with a C-note, it is the "key" of the scale that determines what the "fundamental" or "root" note will be, that is, the ROOT note of a "key" is the "fundamental" note (lowest) note of its SCALE, i.e.: the note the SCALE begins on.


REVIEW: what is a SCALE? what is a DEGREE? what is a CHORD? What degree notes typically comprise a chord?

just wanted to let you know that I am starting to read this and thanks for all the effort that you put into it

Air Colour wrote:

...just wanted to let you know that I am starting to read this and thanks for all the effort that you put into it

...you're welcome.

Question:

Are these called modes or scales?

C, D, E, F, G, A, B, C' = Ionian
D, E, F, G, A, B, C, D' = Dorian
E, F, G, A, B, C, D, E' = Phrygrian (pronounced: friggy-ann)
F, G, A, B, C, D, E, F' = Lydian
G, A, B, C, D, E, F, G' = Mixolydian
A, B, C, D, E, F, G, A' = Aeloian
B, C, D, E, F, G, A, B' = Locrian (means: "crying" or "sad"


Thanks

...they are the MODES of the C-scale. But, notice that the Ionian MODE coincides with the ROOT SCALE.

Old Tele man wrote:

...they are the MODES of the C-scale. But, notice that the Ionian MODE coincides with the ROOT SCALE.

So the D scale is actually a Dorian mode

Is that right

I think I 'm now a bit confused if I am wrong