The mode with the C root is known as the "Mother Scale".

The Dorian mode is still a C scale, just starting on the D note.

D, E, F, G, A, B, (C (root)).

OTM will explain further, but this info is in the thread.

J

I = Tonic
II = Supertonic
III = Mediant
IV = Subdominant
V = Dominant
VI = Submediant
VII = Leading Tone



on the VII  Leading Tone: is the name commonly used or is there another name

Air Colour wrote:

I = Tonic
II = Supertonic
III = Mediant
IV = Subdominant
V = Dominant
VI = Submediant
VII = Leading Tone



on the VII  Leading Tone: is the name commonly used or is there another name

..."Leading Tone" is the commonly used name.

Old Tele man wrote:

Air Colour wrote:

I = Tonic
II = Supertonic
III = Mediant
IV = Subdominant
V = Dominant
VI = Submediant
VII = Leading Tone



on the VII  Leading Tone: is the name commonly used or is there another name

..."Leading Tone" is the commonly used name.

Thanks

It's always good to ask

I'm trying to test what I'm learning on your "Fundamentals of Music Theory 101.


Degrees are the individual notes of the scale.

Chords are 3 or more notes played simultaneously.

What degree notes typically comprise a chord?  1st degree ,   3rd degree,   5th degree

What is a scale?  (sorry, but I'm stuck on this one, can you answer it for me, please) thanks

Air Colour wrote:

Degrees are the individual notes of the scale.

...Degrees are the numerical NUMBERS assisgned to each NOTE of a SCALE.

Air Colour wrote:

Chords are 3 or more notes played simultaneously.

...correct, hence the two-note Power Chord, which consists of only Root (1) and Fifth (5) notes is technically not a true chord. It is used quite often, however, in heavy rock because without a Third (3) note it doesn't have a defined MAJOR or MINOR sound.

Air Colour wrote:

What degree notes typically comprise a chord?  1st degree ,   3rd degree,   5th degree

...correct, maybe this (below) will help:

Assume Key-Signature of C:

C = ( I or 1) = Root or Tonic (determines base note of Signature Key)
C#/Db......diminished 2nd
D = (II or 2) = Second or Supertonic
D#/Eb......minor 3rd
E = (III or 3) = Third or Mediant (determines MAJOR or MINOR chord sound)
F = (IV or 4) = Fourth or Subdominant
F#/Gb......diminished 5th
G = (V or 5) = Fifth or Dominant (determines DIMINISHED or AUGMENTED chord sound)
G#/Ab......augmented 5th
A = (VI or 6) = Sixth or Submediant
A#/Bb......minor M7th (not to be confused with a minor dominant 7th chord)
B = (VII or 7) = Seventh or Leading Tone
C' = (VIII or 8) = Octave (Italian word for Eight)

Air Colour wrote:

What is a scale?  (sorry, but I'm stuck on this one, can you answer it for me, please) thanks.

...a SCALE are the twelve individual NOTES comprising a KEY. For example:

• in the Key of C, they are all the notes between C and C' (see above).
• in the Key of F, they are all the notes between F and F' (see below).

F = (I or 1) = Root (Key Signature, one flat [1b])
F#/Gb
G = (II or 2) = 2nd
G#/Ab
A = (III or 3) = Third
Bb = (IV or 4) = Fourth
B
C = (V or 5) = Fifth
C#/Db
D = (VI or 6) = Sixth
D#/Eb
E = (VII or 7) = Seventh
F' = (VIII or 8) = Octave

Old Tele man wrote:

Air Colour wrote:

Degrees are the individual notes of the scale.

...Degrees are the numerical NUMBERS assisgned to each NOTE of a SCALE.

Air Colour wrote:

Chords are 3 or more notes played simultaneously.

...correct, hence the two-note Power Chord, which consists of only Root (1) and Fifth (5) notes is technically not a true chord. It is used quite often, however, in heavy rock because without a Third (3) note it doesn't have a defined MAJOR or MINOR sound.

Air Colour wrote:

What degree notes typically comprise a chord?  1st degree ,   3rd degree,   5th degree

...correct, maybe this (below) will help:

Assume Key-Signature of C:

C = ( I or 1) = Root or Tonic (determines base note of Signature Key)
C#/Db......diminished 2nd
D = (II or 2) = Second or Supertonic
D#/Eb......minor 3rd
E = (III or 3) = Third or Mediant (determines MAJOR or MINOR chord sound)
F = (IV or 4) = Fourth or Subdominant
F#/Gb......diminished 5th
G = (V or 5) = Fifth or Dominant (determines DIMINISHED or AUGMENTED chord sound)
G#/Ab......augmented 5th
A = (VI or 6) = Sixth or Submediant
A#/Bb......minor M7th (not to be confused with a minor dominant 7th chord)
B = (VII or 7) = Seventh or Leading Tone
C' = (VIII or 8) = Octave (Italian word for Eight)

Air Colour wrote:

What is a scale?  (sorry, but I'm stuck on this one, can you answer it for me, please) thanks.

...a SCALE are the twelve individual NOTES comprising a KEY. For example:

• in the Key of C, they are all the notes between C and C' (see above).
• in the Key of F, they are all the notes between F and F' (see below).

F = (I or 1) = Root (Key Signature, one flat [1b])
F#/Gb
G = (II or 2) = 2nd
G#/Ab
A = (III or 3) = Third
Bb = (IV or 4) = Fourth
B
C = (V or 5) = Fifth
C#/Db
D = (VI or 6) = Sixth
D#/Eb
E = (VII or 7) = Seventh
F' = (VIII or 8) = Octave

thanks tele

I'll study this and remember it, then I'll continue to move on and see your other post.  Thanks so much for correcting me

I'm new to this forum, but its great! I alredy found a lot of cool stuff, thnaks!

Tele, could you go more into Modes

This is about all I understand about them.  If you are in the key of C and  and start playing with a D note then you are playing a Dorian mode. But can you give me or explain it more.

thanks

Hello Air Colour, not wanting to take away from when OTM answers your question, but in the meantime you could prepare a bit and perhaps gain some understanding by beginning reading at page 4 of this thread if you haven't already. OTM goes into modes there and the text is fairly easy to understand...even for me  back when it was written. I was glued to it daily and some of it even sank in. Now when i go back and re-read things for clarification, it seems even more clear. Good luck !

GuitarZen

GuitarZen wrote:

Hello Air Colour, not wanting to take away from when OTM answers your question, but in the meantime you could prepare a bit and perhaps gain some understanding by beginning reading at page 4 of this thread if you haven't already. OTM goes into modes there and the text is fairly easy to understand...even for me  back when it was written. I was glued to it daily and some of it even sank in. Now when i go back and re-read things for clarification, it seems even more clear. Good luck !

GuitarZen

Thanks gz

I haven't even gone that far on his thread yet!

some things are worth reading twice. a whole lifetime compiled into fifteen pages. you are a very humble and thurough teacher thanks for your time.
i could start over again and learn something new which is probably what i will do. can't thank you enough really liked your link on blues turn arounds on angle fire too. thanks OTM or E.L.M.
I am like beth the diminished section still troubles me but i am learning to just accept it. i have a hard time hearing the harmonizing portion or last note of the modes, luckily this does not come up all that often as you said. its usually a passing thing. rather than some where you hang out. i do hear how it resolves nicely back to the root.

Here's another way to look at it:

Ionian mode=Tone- T- Semi Tone- T- T- T- ST- T
Dorian= T- ST-T- T- T- ST- T- T
Phrygian= ST- T- T- T- ST- T- T- T
etc.
which gives you different "flavors" to your lead playing or may just sound better due to your "main" chord of the song being a Dm yet your song is still in the key of C, for example. Using the Dorian mode of C may yield better results. Personally I needed this stuff explained to me in like 5 different ways before I started to get it and learn to read music or you will always be missing a piece of the puzzle.

Just joined the forum today and I wanted to thank Old Tele man for this thread. Despite playing for many years, the theory behind it has remained a mystery to me. I've only started reading the first couple of pages and already things are becoming a lot clearer, thanks again.

Thanks for the kind words.

PROBLEM, OTM............I'm going thru your thread again (third time, I think) and gaining more understanding.  BUT, I can't get the graphics you list for the "circle of 5ths" or the charts on the modes, etc.  I would really like to see them.  Can you help?  Keeping It Fun, Dean

Northern Dean wrote:

PROBLEM, OTM............I'm going thru your thread again (third time, I think) and gaining more understanding.  BUT, I can't get the graphics you list for the "circle of 5ths" or the charts on the modes, etc.  I would really like to see them.  Can you help?  Keeping It Fun, Dean

...sorry for the tardy response. Sadly, all the images went away when my then-current ISP and I "parted ways" and my new ISP does not permit image hosting.

Several times I've volunteered to "donate" ALL of the images to the site, but apparently they cannot accept nor host them (my offer still stands however).

Here's a website for Circle of Fifths diagrams - some simpler and some more complicated.  Hope you're able to get it - or just Google Circle of Fifths and it should pop up on the list.

http://www.google.com/search?q=circle+o … mp;bih=803

Thanks, OTM.  I'll see how I can relate to the site I found below.

Thanks for your input, CC!!

I found this site a few days ago.  I was just looking to relate the "color coding" OTM was refering to.

http://randscullard.com/CircleOfFifths/

It really works neat. It's interactive so you can change it "on the fly".